Talk: Troy - Wikipediaepisode of BBC's "Horizon"[edit]Does anyone want to have a go at writing up some of the current theories summarised in a recent edition of the BBC's Horizon programme? A transcript is available online here [1]Another page in their site even links to this very article! Timrollpickering 2.

Apr 2. 00. 4 (UTC)alleged/suspected/hypothesized/proposed Troy[edit]In the light of the findings since 1. Troy. Of course the "identity" is not complete, not proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, and the controversy should be noted. Since 1. 99. 6, however, a strong majority of scholars identify (W)ilion and Wilusha, and for very good reasons. I will try to add sections concerning these recent developments. Oct 2. 00. 4 (UTC)Opening doesn't make much sense[edit]The opening of the article, "Troy (..) is not a legendary city, scene of the Trojan war" doesn't make much sense. Is that supposed to say "is a legendary city"? Jan 2. 00. 5 (UTC)The Real Location of Troy[edit]There is a very intersting theory that has its roots in geography and archeology, and puts Troy much closer to Greece..

Check it out at: http: //www. The book was published in Croatian, and it is by no means a work of an amateur, R. Salinas Price is a scholar educated in the United States, more on his study on Homer at: http: //www. Yugoslav Troy? Well, feel free to add it as an intriguing 'dissenting voice.' No "the real location"- style statements in the article, though, please. Jan 2. 00. 5 (UTC)Feel free to not mention that garbage at all in the article, also. Alexander 0. 07 0. Mar 2. 00. 5 (UTC)Patton 1.

England. go to the link before you bash it please. December 2. 01. 4 (UTC)Wrong Category[edit]Ancient Troy was not exactly a Greek city, so I've modified the category to Trojans. Alexander 0. 07 0. Mar 2. 00. 5 (UTC)well, everybody speaks Greek in Homer. Plus, there is some evidence that there may have been a Greek upper- class that had imposed itself on the Luwian population, in Wilusa.

But it's difficult to classify anything as "Greek" in that time anyway, there were only "Achaean" and "Danaans" etc. Mar 2. 00. 5 (UTC)Patton 1. Homer's story was about a celtic civil war, and was translated into greek so that the people he was telling the story to the greeksstill absolute rubbish, Patton 1. December 2. 01. 4 (UTC)see Alaksandu where I did a brief outline of said evidence. July 2. 00. 5 (UTC)Troy in England[edit]Well it was written by the greeks from Homer's original versiopn which was translated from his native celtic tounge to greek.

Has anyone ever read Iman Wilkins book where troy once stood, in it he describes why Troy would have been a Celtic City, and how the Aecheans, which means seamen, where warriors from central europe who banded together to capture the british celts tin mines so that the mainland europena Celts could make bronze at a cheaper price. July 2. 00. 5 (UTC)If you read it, the invaders are described as travelling over a wine dark sea called Oceanus.

The Greeks would have called it the Ægean sea, which is a deep blue color as compared to the Northern Atlantic which is often described as being wine dark. Also, Achilles is noted as watching the sun rise over the sea and his barracks. Which means that an Asian landing site is out of the question which would put the shores on the west. Achean is also a greek version of a CELTIC word that means Water Men There are seven rivers flowing across the Troad. Temese, which was the name for the Thames untill the 8. AD. the turkish plain has two rivers. I would like to take the claim for creating this discussion, as i was not supposed to be working on this at the time due to the fact that i am taking a computer Apps class at this time.

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Patton 1. 17again, this is so far out on the lunatic fringe that it's not worth refuting. At most, if you must, insert a single sentence saying somebody came up with the idea. For anything more, create a subarticle dedicated to the theory. July 2. 00. 5 (UTC)You remind me of the lunatic conservaties who say that Harry Potter is evil, and have never even read it.

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I, Patton 1. 17, am a conservative who reads the books by the way. Watch Holy Rollers Online IMDB. I have read it, and it's not remotely believable. James 2. 3: 1. 5, July 1. UTC)Why not, i have read both the Iliad and Iman Wilkins book, and find it meshes. Mainly because it's based on questionable etymologies. James 0. 4: 3. 1, July 2.

UTC)So how do you explain the fact that Achiles was able to watch the sun rise over both the ocean and the soldiers barracks. It has been proven in the last decade (you'd have to look it up) that the Troad west of Troy has silted in since 1.

BC. It used to be a bay with marshes exactly as Homer described with the Greek landing site on the western shore of this bay. Troy being on the east.

To people who know even most rudimentary actual facts about the Iliad or history in general a location of Troy in England is beyond preposterous. Also, I forgot to mention this, but greeks for centuries back have been of average height, average, complexion, with brown hair and brown eyes.

Agamemnon is blond, as is Achiles. Traits that resemble the Celts more than the Greeks. The Iliad is an oral poem, and as such inconsitencies and errors crept in over the several hundred years during which it was composed. Also, the person who "wrote" it was likely not there, so they would have no real idea on which side of Troy the camp was. Also, there's no concrete proof about what Greeks looked like over the centuries. Furthermore, there's nothing to suggest that blonde in the Iliad is the same thing as blonde today. James 0. 5: 0. 9, July 2.

UTC)what? I'm not saying anything is "evil". I am saying it is stupid. Nobody claims Harry Potter is a factual report.

If you claim that this England business is fiction then no problem. The arguments are crap, man. Take a good look at the map of the Troas. See the bay? Is that a north- to- south coast facing west? I thought so. dab(ᛏ) 0. July 2. 00. 5 (UTC)Have a look at that map. The poem, in spite of being oral, contains exact knowledge of Greece and Anatolia.

Now take a list at Trojan_War#Armies_on_the_Trojan_side. These are all historical peoples of Anatolia. What were the Phrygians doing in England? The Carians? The Lycians? Watch When Will I Be Loved Putlocker. You may as well claim that the Greeks were really Eskimos invading the Aztecs. The theory is too kooky even to waste breath on it, sorry.

Read some serious books about Troy. You seem to have no idea what is possible when kooks play with etymologies. Everything suddenly is Basque, or Sumerian, or Slavic, or Celtic. That's because these people have no method, something everybody else has been adopting for 4. Descartes. Sorry, but we do not have the time to educate whoever believes in such things about the 4. July 2. 00. 5 (UTC)Egypt is refrenced as not wanting to go to war with the Trojans, however, texts from egypt show that before Alexander, it was known by its people as Al- Kheb, which means, land of the Pharoahs.

Greek Women stayed home, same with the women of the cultures around turkey at the time. Saxon, Celtic and many other women of the north went to war with their husbands. Homer tells of Amazones, who speak some of the multitude of languagesspoken within Iliums Earthen Walls. Patton 1. 17, back again, I was watching the History Channel, and they where doing a show on Crypto Zoology, creatures with very little scientific proof that they exist, and thus disregarded.

I would like to point out that the Mountain Gorilla, the Giant Squid, The Ceolcanth, and many more animals where thought to not exist, but as we know, all three have been proven to exist. So just because some one dissents from the majority doesn't mean he is wrong. Where would the world be if the Free French Military and the German Resistance, both of whom desented from the Nazi Parties in their countries, just agreed with their government durinmg WWII, it can be argued that the attempt on Hitler's life during the later part of World War II brought about the Allied Victory even sooner.